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  Posted on December 28, 2011 8:53 AM
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Ok, I mean the dreams you're having while you are sleeping. Reality really influences your dreams, we usually see some strange things in our dreams that has connection to our reality. Well, if you eat too much or something bothers you, you usually have the strangest dreams, that you can't explain, but if you tell to others, it's really funny. Wonder how these things work.

And for a question: did it happened to you that a dream continued on your next sleep?
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  Posted on December 28, 2011 9:20 AM
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I sometimes dream of surfing, and I drown; yet I don't really drown. I mean I can still breath.

And there's this other dream where me and my family are in a forest, camping apparently.

In another dream, I run around the island, in a constant frenzy of escaping gravity it seems. Some spots just drag me towards it and I wake up.

Still other dreams feature a feeling of miraculousness where everything else seem beyond comprehension.

That's about all the kind of dreams I have. All of those get repeated over and over again. Strangely enough, I don't get monsters or demons or whatnot in my dreams.

And uh yeah; I have these rare dreams that continue. Like in one dream ended with me at the door of my house, in the other I went in to find the beautiful chick...
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totally naked.. :laugh

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Also I'd like to say one thing, my dreams completely stopped three years ago. Now its just say mild hallucinations kind of weak dreams that I can't remember.
  Posted on December 28, 2011 12:11 PM
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A dream with continuation already happened to me, but it was rather weird. I woke up, went to bed again and dreamt with the continuation of the dream, but within a third-person view, rather than the first-person view present on the first time of the dream.

You state that reality affects dreams, Johnny, but I'd go a step further. I've created a theory called "The Dream Aftermath", which states the following:

"Upon dreaming, on the next morning, the brain will be programmed to download parts of the information present on the dream, generating a change on the partial self."

Let me explain that better. If you dream you are flying, for example, that doesn't mean you're going to fly. What you perceive "flying" to be will be partially downloaded. Is flying oppressive to you? A symbol of freedom? A way to be "better" than the others? The brain will capture the sign you "fire" and convert that on bits and pieces of your personality for that day. That is exactly why some people feel completely different upon waking up on the next morning. Adding up, I've applied this theory to my dreams and they all fit the criteria, although the relations, at least on my case, are really subtle (e.g. - if I dream of escaping my house, due to the fact my parents adopted me, but still hate me nonetheless, and pass through an university [actual dream - it's rather long, but I'm just mentioning that scene] - that would convert on a creative spirit. Why? The university, on that dream, represented the stages of a revolution [if you guys want, I can tell what happened on that part], thus, improving the "revolutionary-creative" self on me).

I love discussing my dreams, so, if you want to listen to any, I have a full index of dreams I can tell you. They are really long and story-alike. xD
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  Posted on December 28, 2011 12:18 PM
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When I was little, I used to force myself into dreaming the same dream as the previous night, although it was never quite the same. I got told that it was 'unhealthy' and would affect my brain. Liars. :suspicious
That's when I became practically 'addicted' to daydreaming, fully oblivious to what was actually happening around me as I used to pretend that some sort of assassin had this giant massacre, killing all the irritating people I knew. Then I'd get into trouble.

My dreams are always completely out of the ordinary and entirely random. My most famed dream was tripping over a rock in Paris and landing in the ocean. Dunno how that got into my head.

It seems to be the opposite for me. Whatever I dream/daydream of often affects reality in the oddest ways possible.
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I always used to think that a nightmare was a nocturnal horse, so I never had them. Except for dreams about nocturnal horses. :push


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  Posted on December 28, 2011 12:21 PM
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danahachai wrote:

When I was little, I used to force myself into dreaming the same dream as the previous night, although it was never quite the same.

My dreams are always completely out of the ordinary and entirely random. My most famed dream was tripping over a rock in Paris and landing in the ocean. Dunno how that got into my head.

It seems to be the opposite for me. Whatever I dream/daydream of often affects reality in the oddest ways possible.

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I always used to think that a nightmare was a nocturnal horse, so I never had them. Except for dreams about nocturnal horses. :push


Seriously, now I HAVE to write a poem called "Night Mare". xD

On Topic: So, you indeed stated what I've discussed on my post - about the "Dream Aftermath" theory. It's nice to see I don't feel like the only one whose dreams affect reality on the next day. =]
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  Posted on December 28, 2011 12:30 PM
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danahachai, The Radiant Saint

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Taylor wrote:

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Seriously, now I HAVE to write a poem called "Night Mare". xD

On Topic: So, you indeed stated what I've discussed on my post - about the "Dream Aftermath" theory. It's nice to see I don't feel like the only one whose dreams affect reality on the next day. =]


Credit! Hn, hn. :noworry

@topic Whenever my dream interprets into life, the realism varies simplicity and all. For example, when I dreamt about tripping on a rock and landing in the ocean, the following day -no, I did not trip over a rock but a schoolmate pushed me into a pool. Bastard.
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  Posted on December 28, 2011 4:28 PM
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Funny that you say, we -my friends and I- were discussing the "dreams" subject the other day, and I will now write down some interesting things I heard, as well as some conclusions, and something else I may feel is worth tying:

To begin with, we tried to imagine how a dream was produced. Many said their theory, and so far, mine seems the most "realistic". When you imagine things (like, when you were child and went outside, grabed a stick and pretended it was a sword and then you slayed "bad guys"), you oftenly need a lot of concentration to do so, and because of that, any distraction can result into a loss of connection to the "imaginary-reality". With that said, I proposed dreams to be a long and more sofisticated imaginary-reality system, in which you are forced to close your eyes due to tireness, and so, because you see everything black, you are forced to imagine things in order to get rid of the monotony of darkness. And so does the human do. The state of "dream" is in many ways more sofisticated than the game outside, and that is because it is a fact that our heart decreases its rate of bumps, we don't have the feeling to pee, and most of our systems are gracefully and softly armonised with our deep breathing. That is how the organism makes us go into an imaginary state with the help of some body reactions. As every imaginary-reality though, distractions can end it, and that is what we call "you woke me up": a noise or a feeling that is simply immpossible to ignore by the body that breaks our concentration and, as a consequence, wakes us up.

Well, that was just my theory anyway. I'm sure it has some flaws all in all, but that's just how I feel the mind works when dreaming.

With that said, I shall now tell you my dreams are the crasiest shit ever :oh

Seriously, I once dreamt I jumped from a building just because a weird cloud was near me :weird and that is one of the most normal dreams I can tell you!
What is more, in my dreams, I tend to see future events (not everything I dream is going to happen, but some isolated parts are), and that sort of scares me out, because I keep having deja vu's all the time v.v
But not only me, my dreams have also come to scare others. An example of this was me completing a line from a friend. Doesn't sound like something to me scared of, but the line was "I don't wanna sit there because..." Obviously, million of ending could have fit that sentence, but because I had dreamt that, I knew the rest.
"... I wanna stretch my legs".
We said that in one voice, and she was like "wtf o.o"
The really scary part of that is that that excuse was a lame one, and the real reason was that a friend she didn't like was sitting on the nearby seat, so she didn't want to seat near her... anyway, mess, and Lucas can see future.

Edit: Oh, one tip, did you know you can't invent people in your dreams? All of them you have had seen before, and there are no exceptions to this.

Well, this post is getting too long, so I'll stop here...
If you wish to reply, wish to hear one of my crazy dreams, wish to debate, feel free to quote this bad boy and do so.




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  Posted on December 28, 2011 5:03 PM
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I wish i can do lucid dreaming like in inceptions lol
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  Posted on December 28, 2011 5:21 PM
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Usually Dreams are about something you are afraid of, something you wish it could happen, or basically something nonsensical.

Example: Cartoons :notrust :notrust :notrust


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  Posted on December 28, 2011 6:48 PM
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Many times I have had the same dream where I am some sort of huge dinosaur, hunting sharks and other dinosaurs. Amazing dream. Sometimes I had it two nights in a row.
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  Posted on December 28, 2011 6:49 PM
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Taylor, The Manipulative Tactician of the Darkness

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lucaslost wrote:

Funny that you say, we -my friends and I- were discussing the "dreams" subject the other day, and I will now write down some interesting things I heard, as well as some conclusions, and something else I may feel is worth tying:

To begin with, we tried to imagine how a dream was produced. Many said their theory, and so far, mine seems the most "realistic". When you imagine things (like, when you were child and went outside, grabed a stick and pretended it was a sword and then you slayed "bad guys"), you oftenly need a lot of concentration to do so, and because of that, any distraction can result into a loss of connection to the "imaginary-reality". With that said, I proposed dreams to be a long and more sofisticated imaginary-reality system, in which you are forced to close your eyes due to tireness, and so, because you see everything black, you are forced to imagine things in order to get rid of the monotony of darkness. And so does the human do. The state of "dream" is in many ways more sofisticated than the game outside, and that is because it is a fact that our heart decreases its rate of bumps, we don't have the feeling to pee, and most of our systems are gracefully and softly armonised with our deep breathing. That is how the organism makes us go into an imaginary state with the help of some body reactions. As every imaginary-reality though, distractions can end it, and that is what we call "you woke me up": a noise or a feeling that is simply immpossible to ignore by the body that breaks our concentration and, as a consequence, wakes us up.

Well, that was just my theory anyway. I'm sure it has some flaws all in all, but that's just how I feel the mind works when dreaming.

With that said, I shall now tell you my dreams are the crasiest shit ever :oh

Seriously, I once dreamt I jumped from a building just because a weird cloud was near me :weird and that is one of the most normal dreams I can tell you!
What is more, in my dreams, I tend to see future events (not everything I dream is going to happen, but some isolated parts are), and that sort of scares me out, because I keep having deja vu's all the time v.v
But not only me, my dreams have also come to scare others. An example of this was me completing a line from a friend. Doesn't sound like something to me scared of, but the line was "I don't wanna sit there because..." Obviously, million of ending could have fit that sentence, but because I had dreamt that, I knew the rest.
"... I wanna stretch my legs".
We said that in one voice, and she was like "wtf o.o"
The really scary part of that is that that excuse was a lame one, and the real reason was that a friend she didn't like was sitting on the nearby seat, so she didn't want to seat near her... anyway, mess, and Lucas can see future.

Edit: Oh, one tip, did you know you can't invent people in your dreams? All of them you have had seen before, and there are no exceptions to this.

Well, this post is getting too long, so I'll stop here...
If you wish to reply, wish to hear one of my crazy dreams, wish to debate, feel free to quote this bad boy and do so.


Your theory is a nice start, but let me propose some tweaks, by pinpointing some flaws and telling you how you could pass through them, Lucas:

1 - "...you are forced to imagine things in order to get rid of the monotony of darkness." - technically, this is wrong. People might have dreams even if they do not "imagine", if you were to take the correct definition of "imagine". Dreams are subconscious, that is, the information that is processed consciously (e.g. - darkness) does not account as a factor to produce the dream.

2 - "...we don't have the feeling to pee." - OBJECTION! Although dreams are subconscious (as I stated already), sometimes processed conscious reactions blend in (NOT trigger) a reaction. Thus, some people do have the feeling to pee, or the need to talk (I, for one, do that a LOT, countless times - I sometimes even sing songs while sleeping, which is rather funny to listen. xD), for example. That base wasn't covered on the theory.

3 - "As every imaginary-reality though, distractions can end it, and that is what we call "you woke me up": a noise or a feeling that is simply impossible to ignore by the body that breaks our concentration and, as a consequence, wakes us up." - this one is the biggest objectionable point in my opinion, and the one that truly matters. If that was true, you could only wake up once a "breach" of that state surfaced, and that is not true (dreams can end upon no reason whatsoever and might even not happen [even if they might happen on subconscious level]), thus, disrupting the initial theory, which needs some tweaks.

I noticed something funny as well. Every single person refers to his or her own dreams as "extremely weird". Maybe that is an unaccounted factor - will dreams always be weird to its "recipient"? Either way, I LOVE discussing my dreams (since they are story-alike - extremely long and non-sensical. xD) and it's nice to see other people feel the same as well. =D
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  Posted on December 28, 2011 9:14 PM
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I never got how people could find their dreams wierd.

I mean, granted the events are rarely realsitic, but rarely are they something which has not been shown to us on tv, or in a book.

Anyway, my own dreams are rarely remembered, but do tend to revolve around a plot which I only know while in the dream itself, when I wake up I remember the events, but not the mindset

I also tend to review current, past and future events in my dreams, into a mishmash of reality and stuff from books and movies. It also has on occasion resulted in situations suc as Lucas showcase, where I have predicted a future event or reaction perfectly.
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  Posted on December 28, 2011 11:27 PM
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Taylor wrote:

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Your theory is a nice start, but let me propose some tweaks, by pinpointing some flaws and telling you how you could pass through them, Lucas:

1 - "...you are forced to imagine things in order to get rid of the monotony of darkness." - technically, this is wrong. People might have dreams even if they do not "imagine", if you were to take the correct definition of "imagine". Dreams are subconscious, that is, the information that is processed consciously (e.g. - darkness) does not account as a factor to produce the dream.

2 - "...we don't have the feeling to pee." - OBJECTION! Although dreams are subconscious (as I stated already), sometimes processed conscious reactions blend in (NOT trigger) a reaction. Thus, some people do have the feeling to pee, or the need to talk (I, for one, do that a LOT, countless times - I sometimes even sing songs while sleeping, which is rather funny to listen. xD), for example. That base wasn't covered on the theory.

3 - "As every imaginary-reality though, distractions can end it, and that is what we call "you woke me up": a noise or a feeling that is simply impossible to ignore by the body that breaks our concentration and, as a consequence, wakes us up." - this one is the biggest objectionable point in my opinion, and the one that truly matters. If that was true, you could only wake up once a "breach" of that state surfaced, and that is not true (dreams can end upon no reason whatsoever and might even not happen [even if they might happen on subconscious level]), thus, disrupting the initial theory, which needs some tweaks.

I noticed something funny as well. Every single person refers to his or her own dreams as "extremely weird". Maybe that is an unaccounted factor - will dreams always be weird to its "recipient"? Either way, I LOVE discussing my dreams (since they are story-alike - extremely long and non-sensical. xD) and it's nice to see other people feel the same as well. =D

Hmm, I agree with the points you've made, and I consider them to be valid. I honestly can't think of anything to reply to those atm :oh

Nice to see I'm not the only one who could write a book about each of his dreams :laugh
Karab wrote:

I never got how people could find their dreams wierd.

I mean, granted the events are rarely realsitic, but rarely are they something which has not been shown to us on tv, or in a book.

Anyway, my own dreams are rarely remembered, but do tend to revolve around a plot which I only know while in the dream itself, when I wake up I remember the events, but not the mindset

I also tend to review current, past and future events in my dreams, into a mishmash of reality and stuff from books and movies. It also has on occasion resulted in situations suc as Lucas showcase, where I have predicted a future event or reaction perfectly.

Well, we refer to them as "weird" when compared to real-purely real- life. TV doesn't count there, nor do movies, games and stuff.

Yes, the plot in a dream is something that only one himself/herself can understand, I agree with that.
What's more, when in a dream, you may feel you're doing everything right, but after waking up, you feel like... "Omai, I'm subconciously so stupid".

I am more than willing to give an example of this:
Yesterday, I had a dream in which several of my former-highschool-students and I were at a party, which, later on, turned into a formal meeting, and then into a break time as if we were at school.
So, anyway, after entering the party through a hall in which there were trees everywhere -sort of like a forest, but inside the building-, I saw myself trying to convince my friends that I had powers. That is, of course, childish and stupid, but I enjoyed it. So anyway, there I was, floating in the air, trying to explain to people I had powers and...
Wait a second? Did I say floating in the air? Yes, I did. I mean, c'mon, how stupid can you be to not believe a person who tells you he has powers if you see him floating around? o.o


So anyway, in that dream I learnt some stuff:
1- Logic is, most of the times, abscent in a dream.
2- Time, space, characters and situations are constantly being altered by the feelings and emotions of the, let's call us this way, "dreamer".

With that said, nightmares can get more sinister with each passing second, and dreams can get better and better, while also getting worse and worse.

Umm... I forgot the main point of this post.... well, nvm, just gonna end up saying:
All in all, I find dreams subject incredibly fascinating and if I could -and you could- I'd discuss it for many, many, many hours.


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  Posted on December 29, 2011 12:27 AM
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Lucas, we need to set up a meeting to discuss dreams. I do that quite often with Kabuto. xD

Either way, here's another theory-starter for you guys: we mentioned several "dream-predictions" and how that happens quite often, but what if it was the inverse, actually? What if dreams rewired your brain so you would already ascertain a situation in a determined way, subconsciously, and then you give that subconscious "cue" to the world, thus, generating predictions?

Also (this happened with a friend of mine, who dreamt two of her friends were sick: one couldn't barely walk and the other had a cold. Turns out on the next day, both things happened and those two mentioned friends skipped school) - how can you predict things that already happened but you aren't aware of? I'm going to blend in a theory that I personally love: morphogenetic fields.

Just let me explain a bit what this theory is: this theory states that "the more an information is accessible in general, the more it will be subconsciously known by someone that never had access to it" - and they did some studies upon this phenomenon. A pair of abstract pictures (that formed two drawings - a dog and a lady) were shown to demographic group A. Upon answering the question "what is depicted here?", X% of the people answered correctly (it was a number close to 5.4%, if I'm not mistaken). They hid the test data and then did the same test, with only some days of difference, on another completely unrelated location, with demographic group B, that had the same level of education and so on and so forth.

The results were astounding. 2X% of the people could, on the second test, answer correctly what was depicted. This variance was astounding, so, a theory was built upon that. I'm not going to delve in too deep, just explained it so I can talki about "unreal" connections.

So, what if dreams are affected by morphogenetic fields? Then, my Dream Aftermath theory would be the other way around - it's not the dream that determines who you'll be tomorrow, but who you'll be tomorrow determined your dream. Thus, with that stated, the logic conclusion is deducting that dreams exist on the fourth dimension (the reason why we can alter timelines - space and time aren't constants on dreams) and are indeed a true expression of ourselves on a controllable fourth alternate dimension.

That's somewhat fun and disturbing. Any thoughts?
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  Posted on December 31, 2011 6:50 PM
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No, it has never happened to me. I've only had sexual dreams, really sexual ones. I believe that a dream has nothing to do with reality.