In this topic, I will pose three questions and we will debate on them.

The first is this: Is prostitution really a bad thing? I think not. If a crime is to have been committed, one must ask where the victim is. In this case, I don't see any. A woman sells her body for money. She made the choice to do so. The man gets sex, the woman gets money, they both win. Some people may argue that the woman is the victim because oftentimes they are forced into it by circumstance. Wrong, I say. No matter how bad your circumstances are, there is always a choice. The woman could have chosen not to turn to prostitution had she really not wanted to do it. Certainly there are plenty of poor women who are not prostitutes, so there must be a choice.

The second question is, should anime child porn be banned. Again, we have to ask ourselves who the victim is. No children are harmed in the making of the anime, so how can we outlaw it? To do so, you would have to prove that watching child pornography makes a person more likely to commit sexual acts against a child, and I just don't think you can. If a person has the desire to harm children in that way, he will do it regardless of whether or not he watches porn. It is the same way that violent video games will only affect you if you are predisposed to violence. If anything, I would think that child porn would provide an outlet for a pedophiles sexual desires, but of course I cannot prove that.

Finally, what about statutory rape? This is another situation in which I fail to see a victim. Both parties are consenting, so what is the issue? If someone wants to have sex, who are we to tell them they cannot? I know we have discussed this previously on these forums, but it fit so nicely with the "Where's the Victim" theme that I had to include it.

So, what do yo guys think?

You're forgeting that sometimes prostitutes don't do that because they want to. Women are, at places, obligated to work as prostitutes against their will, and so they become the victims.

Child porn may awaken desires one didn't know there were there, and so the children become the victim, and so do the children being "hugged" (let us say that) in the movie, which can, why not, be a movie of a rape.

The other one, has been already debated and honestly doesn't awaken my attention, so I'll just pass.

Oh, one more thing, there's not always the need of a victym on a crime. A crime is the breaking of a law, and laws exist to preserve community, and so there isn't always a victym. For example, there's a law against prostitution because if there wasn't then it would be legal and kids -let us call them future generations- would grow in a very unhealthy environment.

Edit: Pretend I posted this with my acc lucaslost.

You're forgeting that sometimes prostitutes don't do that because they want to. Women are, at places, obligated to work as prostitutes against their will, and so they become the victims.

Child porn may awaken desires one didn't know there were there, and so the children become the victim, and so do the children being "hugged" (let us say that) in the movie, which can, why not, be a movie of a rape.

The other one, has been already debated and honestly doesn't awaken my attention, so I'll just pass.

Oh, one more thing, there's not always the need of a victym on a crime. A crime is the breaking of a law, and laws exist to preserve community, and so there isn't always a victym. For example, there's a law against prostitution because if there wasn't then it would be legal and kids -let us call them future generations- would grow in a very unhealthy environment.

Edit: Pretend I posted this with my acc lucaslost.

If a women was literally forced into prostitution, as in it was a life or death matter, then the person who forced her should be arrested, she should not be. Also, anyone that had sex with her knowing she was being made to do it against her will. However, if the person did not know she was being forced, it's not really his fault because he was duped as well.

I'm talking about anime, you know that right? No child was in the video whatsoever, it was completely animated. This debate has flared up in Maine recently, which is why I bring it up. In order to make it illegal, there would have to be something that proved watching child porn anime made you more likely to commit acts of pedophilia, which I don't think you can at this point.

Who says prostitution is unhealthy? It's just sex which is a perfectly natural and healthy thing. Besides, who are we to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies?

I agree with prostitution, and I agree with the child porn.

However, I disagree with the statutory rape. If the underaged person in question, the older person in question, AND the guardians/parents are ALL okay with it, then it should be fine.

However, if the underaged person is still living with his/her parents, his/her parents consent should be the first thing that matters, not the underaged person.

In this topic, I will pose three questions and we will debate on them.

The first is this: Is prostitution really a bad thing? I think not. If a crime is to have been committed, one must ask where the victim is. In this case, I don't see any. A woman sells her body for money. She made the choice to do so. The man gets sex, the woman gets money, they both win. Some people may argue that the woman is the victim because oftentimes they are forced into it by circumstance. Wrong, I say. No matter how bad your circumstances are, there is always a choice. The woman could have chosen not to turn to prostitution had she really not wanted to do it. Certainly there are plenty of poor women who are not prostitutes, so there must be a choice.

The second question is, should anime child porn be banned. Again, we have to ask ourselves who the victim is. No children are harmed in the making of the anime, so how can we outlaw it? To do so, you would have to prove that watching child pornography makes a person more likely to commit sexual acts against a child, and I just don't think you can. If a person has the desire to harm children in that way, he will do it regardless of whether or not he watches porn. It is the same way that violent video games will only affect you if you are predisposed to violence. If anything, I would think that child porn would provide an outlet for a pedophiles sexual desires, but of course I cannot prove that.

Finally, what about statutory rape? This is another situation in which I fail to see a victim. Both parties are consenting, so what is the issue? If someone wants to have sex, who are we to tell them they cannot? I know we have discussed this previously on these forums, but it fit so nicely with the "Where's the Victim" theme that I had to include it.

So, what do yo guys think?

For the first one I agree with you. Except for cases where woman are made sex slaves. Though in those instance the ones at fault are the ones who forced the woman to be a sex slave.

For the second one if it's anime and not the real thing than I have no problems with it. I do have problems with people who blatantly showcase their porn anime or not.

For the third part I'm kinda on the fence. On one part I understand that if both are consenting than there seems to be no problem with it. But the problem lies with the underaged person consenting. Though I'm a firm believer that age doesn't determine maturity I think that most kids don't understand what it means to have sex. They don't understand the consequences involved with it. In my mind if one of the people involve don't understand the consequences of sex and they are just mentally pressured by their partner to do it than I think it constitutes as rape.

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For the first one I agree with you. Except for cases where woman are made sex slaves. Though in those instance the ones at fault are the ones who forced the woman to be a sex slave.

For the second one if it's anime and not the real thing than I have no problems with it. I do have problems with people who blatantly showcase their porn anime or not.

For the third part I'm kinda on the fence. On one part I understand that if both are consenting than there seems to be no problem with it. But the problem lies with the underaged person consenting. Though I'm a firm believer that age doesn't determine maturity I think that most kids don't understand what it means to have sex. They don't understand the consequences involved with it. In my mind if one of the people involve don't understand the consequences of sex and they are just mentally pressured by their partner to do it than I think it constitutes as rape.

Well, the thing is, how do you prove if someone was pressured or not. Plus, no matter how much pressure someone places on you, they still aren't forcing you. If you don't want to do it, don't say yes.

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Well, the thing is, how do you prove if someone was pressured or not. Plus, no matter how much pressure someone places on you, they still aren't forcing you. If you don't want to do it, don't say yes.

Yeah it's true that determining that someone was pressured or not is difficult. But it doesn't change the fact that there are still some people who pressure others. Actually there are ways to pressure someone into doing something you want even though they don't want to do it. Not everyone has solid resolve and I don't think that it should be considered consent if the resolve was just broken due to constant pressure from the other person. Mental and emotional pressure can do wonders to destroy someones resolve. It's true that the weak resolve can be blamed but I think the blame goes more on the person who keeps pushing. The other person should stop pushing the issue the first time you say no.

1. I think part of it is money. Prostitutes don't generally pay income taxes, or any for that matter. Another thing is STD's, prostitutes could have a plethora of them, and still take clients because hey, they still get money. Not all STD's are visible, making detection for the "John" hard. Otherwise, I don't really see why prostitution is considered so bad. Both parties consent, and have mutual gain.
(Side Note:) In Germany, booths distribute stubs to prostitutes, and from 2-6am they are legally allowed to solicit sex. The women are required to input a tax of their earnings upon returning the stub.

2. I really don't see a problem. I mean, honestly if it is animated, nobody gets hurt. Statistically, there really is no controlled source that can give an accurate Y/N on the correlation of porn and action. However, logically if the 'future pedophiles' can live out their fantasies online, with no consequences, why risk going into the real world with real consequences?
Edit: Not to mention, if both are outlawed, what is there to lose by taking a real child? You're pretty much giving them more of a reason to act.

3. This is a bit situational. On one hand, some people are just more compatible with older spouses. On the other hand, there is always a situation where the younger partner feels like they will lose the older partner. This risk of loss could easily convince one to do things they otherwise wouldn't be willing to do. Personally, I think three years is an appropriate age gap for minor/adult relationships. After eighteen, they should be mature enough to know right from wrong. They are responsible for who they sleep with (if both are consenting, of course.)

As for the whole 'parents need to approve' situation, I say its just stupid. If parents could, they would never let their kids have sex. While a few years doesn't make a difference, by say 15-16, its the child's body. They should be able to do with it what they please.

As for the whole 'parents need to approve' situation, I say its just stupid. If parents could, they would never let their kids have sex. While a few years doesn't make a difference, by say 15-16, its the child's body. They should be able to do with it what they please.

So, a parent merely has to raise their child for 15-16 years (assuming good intent from parents), only to have the child have sex behind their back?

If the parent's own the house, they should be able to do as they please with it too, right? They should be able to kick their children out at the age of 15-16, right? If the child is mature enough to have sex, they should be mature enough to live on their own. Pay their own bills. Yeah?

(...)So, a parent merely has to raise their child for 15-16 years (assuming good intent from parents), only to have the child have sex behind their back?

If the parent's own the house, they should be able to do as they please with it too, right? They should be able to kick their children out at the age of 15-16, right? If the child is mature enough to have sex, they should be mature enough to live on their own. Pay their own bills. Yeah?

I wasn't suggesting behind their back. I was merely saying its not up to the parents to 'OK' sex. If I were a parent I'd rather know my kid was having sex, even if I don't necessarily approve of it, rather than the kid do it behind my back.
And yeah. IMO, after 16 a kid should be able to support themselves. At the least, get a job and pay rent.

(Side note:) Where I live, A parent can kick their kid out at 14. Provided they get the kid emancipated first. Which, surprisingly enough, the kid can't do without the parent's consent, but the parent can do it without the kid's consent.

I think prostitution should be legal in all countrie. Simply because it can't be erased. Then it's better to keep it under control. If prostitution around the world was only legal in a place dedicated to it, under permanent surveillance from police or a gouvernemental protection; corruption and bad things would probably still exist but on a reduced state. And sex slavery would get easier to handle. The problem is no politician want to be involve in that kind of things.

As for draw child porn, maybe someone will get to act after looking at some (if he's totally stupid in my opinion). But maybe some pedophiles will try to refrain themself with those drawing. For them it is sometime a need, and not just a perversion. And anyway, as long as the drawer say she is a 21 years old looking like a little girl, most law is pointless, unless it get a lot restrictive and I don't like that kind of law.

I think that a 30 years old getting arrested because it had sex with a 17 years old is pretty stupid. When you are 17, you know what you are doing. Law where I live is: 14-18 can have sex with someone who have 3 years more or less. That mean if I have a 17 gf and I'm 21, I can't do anything with her, that's somewhat stupid. I think it should be 4 years more or less, start at 12 and after 15 or 16 you are responsible of what you do.

I agree with all the points except prostitution.

While under some circumstances prostitution happens under the consent of the woman in question, in most cases it is forced on them, whether it be through human trafficking or slave labor. Under these circumstances, the woman might not have much of a choice. I'm a bit undecided on this point. It can go both ways.

I agree with all the points except prostitution.

While under some circumstances prostitution happens under the consent of the woman in question, in most cases it is forced on them, whether it be through human trafficking or slave labor. Under these circumstances, the woman might not have much of a choice. I'm a bit undecided on this point. It can go both ways.

Like I've said, if it can be shown that the woman was forced into it by another party, that party should be placed in jail. However, there are prostitutes who work on their own because they need the money. what we should do is find a way to make this a legitimate business that has safety precautions in place to prevent STDs and that we can be sure is not forcing women into it. That way, they could also pay income taxes and it wouldn't be so much of a problem.

Onto the first question: Oh yes, it is a bad thing, because it is immoral. Sex is meant to be the way both parties express their love towards each other, not a man having sexual intercourse with the woman, for money. Nowadays we are interpreting sex as a wholly different action. We are of the opinion that it does not matter whether you love your partner or not. In actual fact, you have to do it whether or not you want to. This is bad. The whole point in prostitution is null. Just because they want to get rich does not mean they need to do it. They could be a CEO if they so desire. What is the deal?

Onto the second one: There are victims. The victims are the youngsters watching the anime porn. If you are seven year old and by oversight hit on a movie, you will interpret sex as a completely different thing than it actually is. If you want to watch it, do so.
But if you hit upon it by accident, then don't because you don't want to, and you are too yount to watch it. This is exactly the reason why horror movies is banned for people under age 18: because they cannot interpret what they see in the movie. Take The Grudge as an example: The girl is running into you and eats you. This is the way the young 8-year-old will interpret it. It is, nonetheless, a fallacy because firstly, the girl does not exist; and secondly, because the girl, even if she did exist, will not haunt your house or whatever, as you are not in the house that is haunted by her.

Statuory Rape: Because the victim does not want to. If she does, you can't say it is rape, then.

@Rukia: 1st Point: Valid, and I agree with, though not to the point that I think prostitution should be illegal

2nd: There's a difference between a film being 18s and a film being illegal. That's all I really need to say.

3rd: It's not statutory if "the victim" doesn't want to have sex, at that point it's just rape. Statutory occurs when two consenting peole have sex, and one of them is below the legal age.