If you've been to the website Mangastream today, then you know that Viz has pressured them into removing all of the Viz licensed manga from their site, which includes Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, KHR, Hunter x Hunter, D. Gay Man, and Claymore. This is a big hit for people who get their manga online because MS is a very reputable site and has very high quality scans. As MS notes, the only way to get the manga in a way that Viz would support if by using their paid service which is two or three weeks behind and only features a couple of the series that Mangastream was forced to get rid of. Even if the service online were any good, thee are still people like me who can't afford to pay for it. Sure, sites like MS make it so people who might otherwise pay for manga don't, but they also allow people who can't currently afford to buy manga to read it until they can someday. I'd love to get a subscription to Shonen Jump and there are certain manga that I'd like to purchase, but I don't have the money to do that.

Alright, now to the main point: I vote we boycott Viz. The only way to communicate with corporations is through their profit margins. We need to send a message that taking down sites like MS will not be tolerated. From now until whenever Viz relents, do no buy any of their products. Also, spread this message on any site where you think manga readers frequent. If we want to be able to read our manga online, this is the only way we'll be able to do it, because Viz won't just stop at MS. All they've done so far is send people from MS to different scanlating sites, and they are not going to be satisfied with that. Please, I urge you, help make this boycott work. Spread it over the internet and let all manga-lovers know. DO NOT BUY VIZ PRODUCTS. Together, we can protect sites like MS that we have all come to love. Thank you.

To sign a petition about this, go here.

Why not? I'm not poor and who the hell cares if you're poor?
I'll buy every of their products just to make it clear that they have my full support.

You know.. Manga has to be drawn/done by someone, as has animes, and so on. So now to the main point: Who in the world cares if you're so poor you can't buy manga? It's just you out of millions of people.

People spend money on drawing mangas and animes. You, one guy, shan't expect them to do what you want them to. Get some money.
You never get anything for free, Einstein.

If you can't buy it, then oh well.

Why not? I'm not poor and who the hell cares if you're poor?
I'll buy veery of their product just to make it clear that they have my full support.

Could you please stop trolling?

@Topic. I agree. You could also make a petition on change.org

Uh trolling? Read first, please.

And could you please stop making 500 edits per post?

Uh trolling? Read first, please.

The petition won't help you guys. The rich will always dominate the poor, no? So, what would you be doing that for? There are people who are dying for mangas and animes, and are therefore willing to invest money into them. Nothing is free.

If you are good at something, never do it for free.

Rukia, I'm sure the Viz and the authors of mangas are rich enough already that people reading their mangas online won't bankrupt them or something. I have always made an effort to watch Viz media shows like Bleach and Naruto when they come on on tv to help support them, but I don't have money to waste on manga when I have things like college to worry about. If all goes well, then someday I will buy all the manga I can get my hands on, but for now I either get my manga online for free or I don't get it at all, and I refuse to not get it at all just some some fat cats can squeeze a little more profit out of their products.

Anyways, I took you idea, Sand, and made a petition on that site. I'll put a link to it in the main post, but we should still boycott because a petition alone may not work.

It's called 'get a job and a life'. Seriously.
I bet they don't care about you and the poor. We step on them as if they were worms. Get used to this: Such is life.

So get a job and stop complaining. I've had a job ever since I was 15. Get your act together and get down to business. Studying is not the only thing you need to do. You need a job.

I wonder how many times this has been told to you. You're lacking in survival in this cruel world. Get a damn job and see how great it feels to be rich as hell. Alternatively, be stepped on like a useless worm.

Do take heed of this or else you will never buy those mangas.

Every teenager shall stop complaining and get busy.

Seriously, Rukia? First of all, let me just tell you that boycotts do work and that releasing free media does not bankrupt anyone:

Link.

Please read the topic #5, regarding Trent Reznor. As you probably know (or don't), Trent is a respected musician and singer. Before you read the full article, some headers on what happened: Reznor noticed his album was overpriced, asked for a clarification and heard the following phrase: "It's because we know you have a real core audience that will pay whatever it costs when you put something out -- you know, true fans. It's the pop stuff we have to discount to get people to buy."

Hearing that poor excuse based on the mere capitalistic ideology record companies followed, he just told people to download the songs (since THAT'S what art is about, not merely money) and even uploaded the songs himself.

From that time on, he left that record company and created his own, allowing people to download his songs for free or buy his albums. What happened? No, he did not went bankrupt. He just sold a worth of $1.6 million in CDs, making him one of the largest moneymakers in the year.

Do you really think, upon reading this whole text, that allowing art to be widespread reduces the amount of money earned by these companies? Think again. Naruto is an extremely popular series currently, and a great share of that popularity was a product of how available the series was to start with. This works as marketing, and not the opposite. On the end, it does not matter how much money you intend to make, you have to amass a share of the population that will indeed buy your products.

Which is exactly what Rurudo is trying to propose a counter-measure to. If no one buys it, then the sales just go down, differently from what Viz expects. The fact is several people will frown upon Viz's decisions, since that displays a moneygrabbing, selfish marketing strategy. As already stated, some people cannot afford to buy their products EXACTLY due to their temporary (NOT definitive - attacking people and saying they are poor is merely a product of ignorance) financial situation and, with that current action, they will most likely not do it once their situation change.

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Seriously, Rukia? First of all, let me just tell you that boycotts do work and that releasing free media does not bankrupt anyone:

Link.

Please read the topic #5, regarding Trent Reznor. As you probably know (or don't), Trent is a respected musician and singer. Before you read the full article, some headers on what happened: Reznor noticed his album was overpriced, asked for a clarification and heard the following phrase: "It's because we know you have a real core audience that will pay whatever it costs when you put something out -- you know, true fans. It's the pop stuff we have to discount to get people to buy."

Hearing that poor excuse based on the mere capitalistic ideology record companies followed, he just told people to download the songs (since THAT'S what art is about, not merely money) and even uploaded the songs himself.

From that time on, he left that record company and created his own, allowing people to download his songs for free or buy his albums. What happened? No, he did not went bankrupt. He just sold a worth of $1.6 million in CDs, making him one of the largest moneymakers in the year.

Do you really think, upon reading this whole text, that allowing art to be widespread reduces the amount of money earned by these companies? Think again. Naruto is an extremely popular series currently, and a great share of that popularity was a product of how available the series was to start with. This works as marketing, and not the opposite. On the end, it does not matter how much money you intend to make, you have to amass a share of the population that will indeed buy your products.

Which is exactly what Rurudo is trying to propose a counter-measure to. If no one buys it, then the sales just go down, differently from what Viz expects. The fact is several people will frown upon Viz's decisions EXACTLY due to their temporary (NOT definitive - attacking people and saying they are poor is merely a product of ignorance) financial situation.

Oh come along, really? How doesn't it harm people? Okay, you know what, as far as I'm concerned, it is harmless. But, what would they be doing so for? Hm? Any idea? I wouldn't waste my time on attempting to please kids. I'd have my own ones in fact.

So all I don't understand, you see...., is: Why on earth are YOU making complaints if you are not willing to get a job and get paid???
I mean, you do want to, but you suck, well, you must suck, because otherwise they would already have hired you, end of story. I'm trying to give you constructive criticism, rurudo. Go to the gym, workout, maybe that will work. Keeps fingers crossed for you.

Taylor, why would anybody be doing it now? If you want something, you'll need to pay for it. That's how everythingw works.
Business is business. If you want to get something, you shall give something first. A huge company such as Viz does not want to spend time on pleasing kids. In reality, it IS profiting more and more. It's like saying that a 33-year-old wants to play with barbie girls.

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Why leave it if I'm telling the truth? You suck. Everybody needs professionals, you don't seem to be professional.

Also get a hold and go to the gym. You've said you have null strength. Having an excellent appearance highly contributes to getting a job. Nobody needs some weak nerds...


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Oh come along, really? How doesn't it harm people? Okay, you know what, as far as I'm concerned, it is harmless. But, what would they be doing so for? Hm? Any idea? I wouldn't waste my time on attempting to please kids. I'd have my own ones in fact.

So all I don't understand, you see...., is: Why on earth are YOU making complaints if you are not willing to get a job and get paid???
I mean, you do want to, but you suck, well, you must suck, because otherwise they would already have hired you, end of story. I'm trying to give you constructive criticism, rurudo. Go to the gym, workout, maybe that will work. Keeps fingers crossed for you.

Taylor, why would anybody be doing it now? If you want something, you'll need to pay for it. That's how everythingw works.

You do not get it, do you? There's selling and there's marketing, for starters. Do you know the old "free sampling" method people use upon advertising their products? That's exactly the thought mentioned here.

I know that, for one, I will not buy something if I'm not absolutely sure I like it, be it a game, a movie, a manga or whatnot. As a matter of fact, I firstly watched Death Note on the internet, THEN I decided to buy the whole collection. The same happened with all of my games, the same happened with the movies I've rented.

So, you see, the fact is that this whole society does not turn around money as one would think. There are several other factors that have a great weight on the situation - disregarding these other factors is just a way of being ignorant and oblivious to the whole panorama.

Also, I'd ask you to stop using fallacies such as Ad Hominen to attack Rurudo. If you block your mindset upon thinking he is lazy, you can (and probably will) be utmost wrong. Maybe Rurudo isn't deeply looking for a job (I know for one, I am not as well). Maybe the companies to which he applied already had the whole staff full (that happened to me as well and, personally, no matter the skill/abilities of the applicant, I would not free a space just to hire him - that is not logical at all). There are also other conditions, such as "time constraints", "pre-requisites" (one of the jobs I applied required the completion of college - no matter how the guy wanted to hire me, AND HE DID, he could not according to the company policies) and the old "lack of need when applied to former background" (e.g. - Rurudo wants to apply to his studies instead of merely flip burgers and study on a normal level).

Think before replying, Rukia. Your replies, so far, all lack forethought.

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You do not get it, do you? There's selling and there's marketing, for starters. Do you know the old "free sampling" method people use upon advertising their products? That's exactly the thought mentioned here.

I know that, for one, I will not buy something if I'm not absolutely sure I like it, be it a game, a movie, a manga or whatnot. As a matter of fact, I firstly watched Death Note on the internet, THEN I decided to buy the whole collection. The same happened with all of my games, the same happened with the movies I've rented.

So, you see, the fact is that this whole society does not turn around money as one would think. There are several other factors that have a great weight on the situation - disregarding these other factors is just a way of being ignorant and oblivious to the whole panorama.

Also, I'd ask you to stop using fallacies such as Ad Hominen to attack Rurudo. If you block your mindset upon thinking he is lazy, you can (and probably will) be utmost wrong. Maybe Rurudo isn't deeply looking for a job (I know for one, I am not as well). Maybe the companies to which he applied already had the whole staff full (that happened to me as well and, personally, no matter the skill/abilities of the applicant, I would not free a space just to hire him - that is not logical at all). There are also other conditions, such as "time constraints", "pre-requisites" (one of the jobs I applied required the completion of college - no matter how the guy wanted to hire me, AND HE DID, he could not according to the company policies) and the old "lack of need when applied to former background" (e.g. - Rurudo wants to apply to his studies instead of merely flip burgers and study on a normal level).

Think before replying, Rukia. Your replies, so far, all lack forethought.

Haha xD I go along with you there. Trailers are there in order to make people interested in the product. But then, who the hell would make use of it? If you want to watch naruto and see how good it is, go to youtube. We need no Manga stream.

I won't. I won't stop telling him the truth. I know he's a nerd and he needs to change it. I'm trying to cause him to come round and imrpove on himself.

Who cares if they, in your opinion, lack forethought? I know the truth, isn't that enough?

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Haha xD I go along with you there. Trailers are there in order to make people interested in the product. But then, who the hell would make use of it? If you want to watch naruto and see how good it is, go to youtube. We need no Manga stream.

I won't. I won't stop telling him the truth. I know he's a nerd and he needs to change it. I'm trying to cause him to come round and imrpove on himself.

I can see what you're hanging onto, but a single overview on Youtube is not enough for anyone to take a conclusion. Also, some people might be more interested in the manga than in the anime, thus, Youtube would not cater their needs. This shows us the need of sites such as Manga Stream, do you get it now?

Guys, I appreciate your defense of me, but let's not stoop to her level and turn this into a flame war. That would only get this topic closed, and that's not what I want. Let's just ignore her. If she wants to believe I suck, let her. I know she's wrong, and that's all that matters.

I agree to boycott Viz. I've already started sending emails to my friends to boycott. :)

Mangastream has been the only way for me to read (high quality) manga without waiting for it to be realeased in Australia. But I do buy the manga when it is realised in Australia though aswell as many of my friends. No manga hosting by Mangastream will mean my friends and I won't buy Viz merchandise.

We get a repeat of what I just deleted, then the topic gets perma-locked. You lot should be better then this by now, have your discussion and keep it ON TOPIC and stop flaming each other.

There's always a next one. Remember Onemanga?

http://www.mangareader.net/

You're right. MS has the highest quality scans out there hosted on it. I would really hate Viz going overboard on these stuff.
We do not want a repeat of Onemanga now, do we?