Well I think the problem with our society is that women are seen as equal to men, but honestly, most men don't think that and therefore sexually harass women at work and what not. I think it has more to do with opinion and following the "women and men are equal" route.

I don't mean to degrade women but men > women.
Why?
Smartest human in history: Albert Einstein = Male
Strongest human in history: Samson = Male
Most famous leaders in history:
- Julius Caesar = male
- Alexander the Great = male
- Augustus Caesar = male
- Montezuma = male
- Queen Cleopatra = female
- Hannibal = male
- Queen Elizabeth = female
- Queen Victoria = female
- Mao Zedong = male
- George Washington = male
- Abraham Lincoln = male
- Mahatma Gandhi = male
- Ganghis Khan = male
- Czarina Catherine = female
- Shogun Tokugawa = male
- Adolf Hitler = male
- Napoleon Bonaparte = male
- Otto Von Bismarck = male

that's 14 against 4. Male wins!

Most famous entertainer in history: Beatles, Elvis Presley = male
Most famous philosophers/inventors in history: Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Socrates, Archimedes = all male
First human on the moon: Neil Armstrong = male

That's a highly fallacious post Whilliam

You forgot the part where men used their pre-gotten advantage to keep women from achieving.

Now, to provide a comprehensive counter:

Albert Einstein: Created a number of theories, with the help of his wife, as he was horrendous at maths

Julius Ceasar: Achieved absolutly nothing during his reign, other than managing to piss off a number off people (63 to be precise) including his supposed best friend Marcus

Augustus Ceasar: Managed to pretend that everything was all right, when really he was a tyrrant, who again achieved nothing of worth

Moctezuma <---(correct spelling): Killed hundreds of thousands of people for religious purposes, only to be defeated in the first inter-country war he was involved in.

Cleopatra: Managed to sway a much more powerful nation (The Roman) into allowing her people's government to remain their own, despite being hellenistic (of greek descent). She also managed to unite the ptolemic and true egyptians and is attributed with the creation of the rosetta stone.

Hannibal: Overshadowed by his fictionary namesake, Known for hsi great tactics. Created more wars than he won, because he was a horrible politician.

Queen Elizabeth: I'm not sure which of the 17 queen Elizabeths you are referring to, please be more specific next time

Queen Victoria: Held the longest reign of any other British monarch, managed to settle what was a highly tense political period, is attributed with delaying the first world war for as long is it had been.

Mao Zedong: The man who created modern day china, a country where 300 workers threatened (and very nearly went through with) mass suicide IN ONE SINGLE FACTORY

George Washington: Was a figurehead for the american forces as they went to war with, well, their own country. Everyone who was fighting was of either british descent, or at the order of someone of british descent. Genius

Abraham Licoln: Was a figurehead for when america fought itself for a second time

Mahatma Gandhi: Achieved none of his goals in the end

Genghis Khan: Was apparently the son of a wolf and a deer, So I wouldn't really trust much info on him

Czarina Catherine: Managed to lead the russians, that's boss

Shogun Tokugawa: There were 6 Tokugawa Shoguns, women were not allowed do anything in japan during this period, empty victory much?

Adolf Hitler: Only survived to adulthood because his mother stayed up for often days on end making sure he didn't stop breathing during the night, like his three older siblings had. In fact, hitlers mother is attributed with being the greatest formative figure in his life.

Napoleon Bonaparte: Reigned for 11 years, did nothing but change the legal system in that time and start a lot of wars. Died of stomach cancer.

Otto Von Bismark: Actually achieved a lot.

Most Famous Entertainer: False, it would be Salama Idosha, Indian actress who has a following of over three billion people.

Most Famous P/I: Marie Curie, Angela Zhang, Emily Cummins, Maria Christina Bruhn, Charlotte Odlum Smith. All female

First Human On The Moon: Women weren't allowed in Nasa at the time, empty victory, which has a lot of valid refutations anyway.

^^ Oh I see what you're doing here. You're degrading pretty much all men except Abe and Georgie and uplifting all women.

First of all, I said most famous but since you put it that way, I'm gonna debate.

Albert Einstein - I never knew that but since it's Albert who is famous not his wife. Can you give the link of that for me?

Julius Caesar - WTF? Achieved nothing? Are you even reading history?
He conquered those evil Gauls, played a critical role in the gradual transformation of the Roman Republic into the Roman Empire and began extensive reforms of Roman society and government. There are probably more but it'd take hours to write all of them.

Augustus Caesar - I don't know what your "of worth" definition is since it's obviously not the term you'd use on what Augustus did so let's stick to the standard "of worth" definition shall we? "of worth": something that can benefit people. This is what Augustus did: He reformed the Roman system of taxation, developed networks of roads with an official courier system, established a standing army and established the Praetorian Guard. In fact, he was so good, he was declared a god by the Senate and to be worshipped by the Romans.

I know nothing about "Moctezuma" so I'll not touch that one.

Cleopatra - yeah, your argument is valid. You might also want to include the fact that she was pwned by Octavian and committed suicide.

Hannibal - He was up against another genius male general. What do you expect? Even though he lost, he was still considered one of the greatest military commanders in history.

Elizabeth - the most famous one. Elizabeth I. The one that got her face painted white. Anyway, Elizabeth caused a series of economic and military problems towards the end of her reign. She achieved pretty much nothing except William Shakespeare being in her time.

Victoria - yeah, she was a good leader.

Mahatma Gandhi - led India to its independence and inspired movements for civil rights and freedom across the world.

Catherine - had a lot of rebellions during her time.

Tokugawa - the most famous one.

Adolf Hitler - no one cares about his mom, his mom didn't do anything.

Napoleon - His legal reform, the Napoleonic Code, has been a major influence on many civil law jurisdictions worldwide.

Also, about the list of females you said that are famous, are you really sure they are famous? I never heard of anyone there except Marie Curie. They don't even ring a bell.
You're probably just exhausting all the females who made a name for themselves. If you put it that way, then I'm gonna list men who made a name for themselves. Here it goes:
Leonardo da Vinci (painter), Benjamin Franklin (scientist), Billgates (contributed to technology), Winston Churchill (British leader), Stalin (Russian leader), Huayna Capac (Incan leader), Louis XIV (French leader), Nero (Roman leader), Jesus (religion), Muhammad (religion), Buddha (religion), Muhammad Ali (entertainment), Manny Pacquiao (entertainment), Plato (philosopher), Ramses II (Egyptian leader), Hammurabi (Babylonian leader), Xerxes (Persian leader), William Shakespeare (entertainment), Antoine Lavoisier (chemistry), Anton Chekhov (entertainment)

there are a lot more but it would take me days to write them all. Now that's what you call famous not some random females you listed.

(...)In my opinion, females can work as hard as men can; even the jobs that have physical work in them. Do you believe that women are still supposed to stay at home and take care of their children, or actually go out and work to feed their family and take action in society?

you are right. everyone should be equal in society

I don't mean to degrade women but men > women.
Why?
Smartest human in history: Albert Einstein = Male
Strongest human in history: Samson = Male
Most famous leaders in history:
- Julius Caesar = male
- Alexander the Great = male
- Augustus Caesar = male
- Montezuma = male
- Queen Cleopatra = female
- Hannibal = male
- Queen Elizabeth = female
- Queen Victoria = female
- Mao Zedong = male
- George Washington = male
- Abraham Lincoln = male
- Mahatma Gandhi = male
- Ganghis Khan = male
- Czarina Catherine = female
- Shogun Tokugawa = male
- Adolf Hitler = male
- Napoleon Bonaparte = male
- Otto Von Bismarck = male

that's 14 against 4. Male wins!

Most famous entertainer in history: Beatles, Elvis Presley = male
Most famous philosophers/inventors in history: Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Socrates, Archimedes = all male
First human on the moon: Neil Armstrong = male

That has to do with men degrading women in the past. Women weren't allowed to go to school and all day they were supposed to stay at home and take care of the children. That's why you see more males that have done significant things to this world due to the education. Either way, you forgot Marie Curie.

It's the women's fault they allowed themselves to be degraded by the men.

That is the single most retarded arguement ever

During the halocaust millions of Jews were murdered, was that because they let themselve be?

A person, or peoples cannot always control their own life, especially when the people doing the controlling are naturally stronger and capable of overpowering the other party

Mahatma Gandhi, did not inspire civil rights movements, Nelson Mandela inspired him, and in the end all he did was split India into two countries who still have huge tensions over their border. Great job on the peace there.

I could counter argue all of them, but it's pointless seen as your rebuttal was basically "Men are more famous, obviously they're better, even thugh the standard was decided entirelly by misogenistic men"

Genghis Khan- Was apparently the son of a wolf and a deer, So I wouldn't really trust much info on him

Now, to not make this post spam, I'll answer the original questions:

Do you believe that women are still supposed to stay at home and take care of their children, or actually go out and work to feed their family and take action in society?

No, I do not believe that.
I believe men and women are the same as citizens, and as minds. It's ridiculous to think that men are greater than women for having achieved more, because obviously they managed to do that by following the wisdom of both previous females and previous males.
Furthermore, women were once ignored, and their opinions were not taken into consideration, so all those achievements males acomplished could have been acomplished by women, if they were given the chance.

It's the women's fault they allowed themselves to be degraded by the men.

I don't even know how to respond to this. I can't believe there are still people who think this way.

Anyway I think the mentality that there is a superior gender is absurd. Men and women are equal. The greatness of a person is not determined by their gender but rather by how they lived their life.

Statistic: Women brain is not as "powerful" as a men brain, but women brain is faster.

So if a women and a men of equal potential end up great mathematician. Let's imagine they are clone, one male, one female. The men will devellop one big theorie over a longuer period of time. When the women will devellop a lot of smaller theories over a shorter period of time. So who win? Depend of what you are looking for...

You could say that women will lose to a untimed chest game versus that men. But will win most games if she play something like 10 timed games at the same time versus this men of equal potential. (Considering they have the same ability for multitasking and chest)

Statistic: Women body is mean to endure and men body to be strong.

If you take modern commando unit. One of men and one women of exact same potential. Now let's send them in deep ennemi territory for a long mission. Facing the exact same treat, men will prove more effective in combat situation (as long as they have to keep moving) since at maximum body work potential they will move faster, hit harder in close combat, and move object for cover or for any purpose more easily. However, women supply in food and water will last longer. They will likely prove more resistant versus wound, sickness, and infection. Beaing smaller they can make use of smaller cover. So who win? Depend, men superiority will decrease as the mission last longer, eventually ending with clear women superiority if the mission last really long. One short assault: Men are better. Survival mission: Women are better.

Let's take martial art: Men have more reach, are stronger, are bigger. Women have lower gravity center, more flexibility, smaller fist(the smaller the fist is, the more painful it get). As a martial art master myself, I can't tell who will win between a men and a women of same level; on one on one that is. However, with uneven battle skill being stronger have several benefit for the skilled and compensation for the unskilled.

Note: Men can denied the women painful fist compensation with a weapon, but the male is a bigger target if women denied reach adventage by trowing or ranged weapon. In a 3 men versus 3 women of same skill level and potential, my money is on the men. Being stronger and with more reach, they will outmaneuver women and likely win. Outmaneuvering is not much useful for one on one.

I've readed reference to history and Japan in the topic.

Japan: Samourai where espected to care about only two thing; War and politic. He would likely drop everything else to is wife. So yea, japan code are sexist and women was suposed to be somewhat submisive to her husband. But, they where trained warrior as well and had control of nearly everything including money. And war cost money, that was a twisted balance of power back then. Hell, if her husband whanted "entertainement" his wife was the one paying and organising it most of the time. If officially the noblemen where on top of the hierarchy, in fact some noblewomen where incredibly powerful back then. As for the poor, let's just say that when marrying, women where not alway espected to be virgin. This is a lot of lax concidering most society of this era.

As for the rest of the world, church did a good job erasing most trace of women power. But we can still find female knight armor. Trace of female soldier, and even women officer leading men in some antiquity army. And much more traces can be found. The submit to you father and husband thing was a easy way to live and to never know hardship, but that never stop determined women to reach power or wield weapon in most society.

If you look at modern society, there some sort of automatic social ajustement. Women are not powerful? Court protect them, men pay for things. Women get powerful? Court protection get weaker, women start to pay more often for date and things.

Only things that really hurt the power balance is culture and religion, since women and men both agree to it. If you agree that you are weak, that you need to give away your freedom and power for religious reasons; nothing can save you from yourself. Religion is often unreasonable because it is based 99% on faith of what some religious leader said or wrote.

Women being more emotionnal is made up by culture, it's is how children are educated. Mother instinct is made up by culture just the same. Victim/predator attitude is made up by culture and education. Dependency is made up by culture and education again...

So if you just want the conclusion, who win in the big picture? Hell, if I only knew... Now seriously, who read all that?

There are certain things only women can do, and there are certain things only men can do.

Enough of this equality bullshit. Men are better than women in certain things, women are better than men in certain things.

There are things women should stick to and stay out of, and there are things men should stick to and stay out of.

Oh, and by the way, men will always be physically superior to women. It's not a matter of being sexist, it's a matter of anatomy and biology.

This ^

I think we can all agree that many women and many men did many great things throughout history and at the same time their were many men and women who did bad things. Neither of these things, however, prove that one gender is better than the other.

Now, Dimi makes very good points. Men and women are born different, but not unequal. You see, men and women both have talents that are more useful in different situations. Men may be stronger, sure, but women make up for that with other traits, like endurance. No gender is any greater than the other, but you have to admit that they are certainly not the same, physically or mentally.

Interesting side fact, who commits suicide more: men or women? Interestingly enough, men actual commit suicide more than women, but women attempt it more often. This is due to the methods each gender uses: women tend to cut their wrists or swallow pills, both methods that are pretty ineffective and from which they can be saved, and men tend to go for a shotgun to the roof of the mouth. There really is no coming back from that.