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Poll: Does God Exist?
99 vote(s) since May 12, 2011 12:30 AM
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Yes (41) (41.41%)
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No (37) (37.37%)
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Maybe (21) (21.21%)
Topic: Does God Exist?
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Posted on May 12, 2011 12:30 AM
#1
Question pops up in my head all the time and i wondered what fellow WoN
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Posted on May 12, 2011 12:41 AM
#2
I'm not interested in a serious religious debate over the internet, but where the hell is the maybe option? When it comes to something like God, yes and no is a bit too black and white.
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Posted on May 12, 2011 12:56 AM
#3
Nope.
Plain as that.
If God did exist, why is there still evil and corruption? Because he's testing you? But wouldn't a loving God understand when his people are being beaten to death because they believe in him, and would therefore save them? Or would he let them suffer in his name because they're being "tested"? Bit too harsh of a test don't you think? Giving your life for your god? But Muslims willingly kill themselves just for the chance to see their god. But Christians believe they're nothing more than radicals, extremists, and terrorists, and as a result refuse to let die in the name of their god because they believe that theirs is loving, caring, respecting, as a father.
I suppose what I'm getting at is, each god is different, and its my personal belief that the "god" people pray to is subconsciously themselves. As for the whole "Oh well Jesus healed my cancer", unless the medicine you were given or your immune system's name is Jesus, then you're absolutely right. There are no miracles, only extremely rare chances and opportunities.
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Plain as that.
If God did exist, why is there still evil and corruption? Because he's testing you? But wouldn't a loving God understand when his people are being beaten to death because they believe in him, and would therefore save them? Or would he let them suffer in his name because they're being "tested"? Bit too harsh of a test don't you think? Giving your life for your god? But Muslims willingly kill themselves just for the chance to see their god. But Christians believe they're nothing more than radicals, extremists, and terrorists, and as a result refuse to let die in the name of their god because they believe that theirs is loving, caring, respecting, as a father.
I suppose what I'm getting at is, each god is different, and its my personal belief that the "god" people pray to is subconsciously themselves. As for the whole "Oh well Jesus healed my cancer", unless the medicine you were given or your immune system's name is Jesus, then you're absolutely right. There are no miracles, only extremely rare chances and opportunities.
Edit: Why you such a negative person cheer up KP.
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Posted on May 12, 2011 1:00 AM
#4
Evil and corruption exist because of free will. The ability to cause and receive suffering is the price we pay for freedom. It's a worthy price, as well.
Miracles are always explainable by science. Everything is explainable by science. That doesn't mean they aren't miracles.
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Miracles are always explainable by science. Everything is explainable by science. That doesn't mean they aren't miracles.
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Posted on May 12, 2011 1:08 AM
#5
There's no way to prove God exist.
There's no way to prove God doesn't exist.
I personally don't believe in a God.
Feel free to believe in whatever you want, just don't force your beliefs down my throat.
There's no way to prove God doesn't exist.
I personally don't believe in a God.
Feel free to believe in whatever you want, just don't force your beliefs down my throat.
Posted on May 12, 2011 1:10 AM
#6
I personally can't believe in God because there is absolutely no proof that suggests he exists. It's just not logical that such a being could exist. As Richard Dawkins says, "When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
Posted on May 12, 2011 1:11 AM
#7
Some things can be proven and disproven. The existence of god's presence within myself is undebatable. The existence of god's presence within others is virtually undebatable.
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Posted on May 12, 2011 1:16 AM
#8
Some things can be proven and disproven. The existence of god's presence within myself is undebatable. The existence of god's presence within others is virtually undebatable.
You can't say that last part. Each person can decide if "God" is "within" them. I don't believe that he is in you or me, and I can say for sure he is not in me. If he were in everyone, wouldn't everyone believe in him. That is, if it is undebatable. I mean, if it's such a sure thing, then why doesn't everyone recognize that he's inside them and believe in him?
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
Posted on May 12, 2011 1:19 AM
#9
I can feel his presence, his love, his guidance. I can communicate with him, I can feel that he is there. I am not the type to make too many extrapolations as to the nature of this source, but I would not hesitate to classify it as a being. Other people have felt the same thing, very large groups of people feel the same presence. It's not a mass delusion so much as a mass hallucination, and the hallucination has real impact on the world, to the extent where it's inaccurate to call it a hallucination.
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Posted on May 12, 2011 1:26 AM
#10
Yes. Who else could create Justin Bieber?
Posted on May 12, 2011 1:28 AM
#11
No, a hallucination is a hallucination no matter what it causes people to do. Hearing voices and feeling the presence of things that are not there is what put many people in insane asylums. The people that wrote the bible were insane, hearing voices and whatnot, and it's become worse. It's basically caused mass hysteria. People believe so strongly in God that they think they can hear him, feel him, sometimes even see him, but they can't, because he doesn't exist.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
Posted on May 12, 2011 1:30 AM
#12
No, I believe it doesn't exist. ♪
Posted on May 12, 2011 1:30 AM
#13
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Posted on May 12, 2011 1:32 AM
#14
You know who else you can talk to? Yourself. Subconsciously. You may believe you're talking to a deity, when you're really just trying to relieve some of your stress/anxiety about an issue.I can feel his presence, his love, his guidance. I can communicate with him, I can feel that he is there. I am not the type to make too many extrapolations as to the nature of this source, but I would not hesitate to classify it as a being. Other people have felt the same thing, very large groups of people feel the same presence. It's not a mass delusion so much as a mass hallucination, and the hallucination has real impact on the world, to the extent where it's inaccurate to call it a hallucination.
Edit: Why you such a negative person cheer up KP.
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Posted on May 12, 2011 1:35 AM
#15
No, a hallucination is a hallucination no matter what it causes people to do. Hearing voices and feeling the presence of things that are not there is what put many people in insane asylums. The people that wrote the bible were insane, hearing voices and whatnot, and it's become worse. It's basically caused mass hysteria. People believe so strongly in God that they think they can hear him, feel him, sometimes even see him, but they can't, because he doesn't exist.
You're feeling the presence of something that is there. The presence is proof of it's existence. You can't feel something that doesn't exist. If thousands of people experience the same "hallucination", then that's evidence that it's grounded in the same basis. If hundreds of thousands of people all claim to feel the and speak to the same person, then that's evidence that there is some source that could be described as a being, and that all of these people are experiencing it.
You can't be suggesting that hundreds of thousands of people are simultaneously experiencing unrelated identical hallucinations. That would be pretty unscientific.
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You know who else you can talk to? Yourself. Subconsciously. You may believe you're talking to a deity, when you're really just trying to relieve some of your stress/anxiety about an issue.
What makes you think that it's yourself you're talking to rather than a deity?
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