Topic: Sexual Deviance

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  Posted on November 29, 2011 6:16 PM
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-Rukia, The Ambitious Priestess of the Hebi

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Pedophiles... Should they be deemed as mentally ill people?

Discuss.
  Posted on November 29, 2011 6:21 PM
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MariosDNA, The Flaming Commander of the Honoo

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No,They're people too.
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  Posted on November 29, 2011 6:23 PM
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-Rukia, The Ambitious Priestess of the Hebi

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Yes they are, but as opposed to homo- and bisexuals, theay actually harm people, don't they? Once again, it's a biological issue. People treat them with anti-testosterone medicines in order to reduce their sexual desires.
  Posted on November 29, 2011 6:31 PM
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Hellawyer, The Supreme Demon, Rank 1 of PLS-2

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Everybody has hidden thoughts about many illegal and imoral things. The difference is that some control their impulses more than others.
  Posted on November 29, 2011 6:33 PM
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-Rukia, The Ambitious Priestess of the Hebi

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Oh my God, really? :huh I've heard of some cases indeed, but I never knew everybody had these thoughts... Take me as an example: I do not want to take drugs, I do not want to smoke (have had bad experiences, actually), don't want to make people want to declare a war to each other. Hidden thoughts... I don't have any. That's why you can't say everybody has them. I'm sure they don't want to be pedophiles, but you need to understand the causes of it. Everything we do, basically, has a cause, a reason. It can be biological as well as psychological. Sexuality and expressing sexual desires can be and are biological and psychological at the same time. However, in this case, I believe, there is a biological issue that has to be solved.
  Posted on November 29, 2011 6:36 PM
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Hellawyer, The Supreme Demon, Rank 1 of PLS-2

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-Rukia wrote:

Oh my God, really? :huh I've heard of some cases indeed, but I never knew everybody had these thoughts...


Yes, but most people have it in a really slight and harmless level...
  Posted on November 29, 2011 6:37 PM
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-Rukia, The Ambitious Priestess of the Hebi

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Could you... show me an example, please? I don't really get what you're trying to say. Just show me a good example.
  Posted on November 29, 2011 7:50 PM
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It is psyhologic disorder.
  Posted on November 29, 2011 7:56 PM
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xXxMarcelxXx, The Untouchable Champion of Death

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-Rukia wrote:

Oh my God, really? :huh I've heard of some cases indeed, but I never knew everybody had these thoughts... Take me as an example: I do not want to take drugs, I do not want to smoke (have had bad experiences, actually), don't want to make people want to declare a war to each other. Hidden thoughts... I don't have any. That's why you can't say everybody has them. I'm sure they don't want to be pedophiles, but you need to understand the causes of it. Everything we do, basically, has a cause, a reason. It can be biological as well as psychological. Sexuality and expressing sexual desires can be and are biological and psychological at the same time. However, in this case, I believe, there is a biological issue that has to be solved.

Some would say: "You are bisexual and that is your bad thing". Maybe 99% has these thoughts and I guess you are included too, Rukia. :oh
  Posted on November 29, 2011 8:39 PM
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No. I guess when your 8 and you have that crush on your classmate, its ok, but sometimes ppl always stay attracted to that. There are an endless amount of things that makes people horny and w/e. Usually when ppl age they will be attracted to ppl around the same age, but lets see it like this.

Old ppl in maybe 60's-80's obviously would be attracted to ppl in 20's-40's and so on, but that would be fine. There were times when we all probably liked an 8 year old. Some ppl just are always attracted to that age group. I'm also sure it has something to do with the child being innocent, and makes the person feel like they have control.


  Posted on November 29, 2011 10:02 PM
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Let's break this down.
"Paedophilia" is simply the act of liking children, sexual attraction does not necessarily feature in it in any way.
(Interestingly, if you use "pedophile" with the american spelling, it means "liking of feet".)

Have you ever liked a child? In a non-sexual way? Then you are also a paedophile.

Being sexually attracted to children is a different matter.
While in itself, it causes no problems physically or mentally, it causes a problem when it is acted upon.

It is in itself, much like homosexuality or bisexuality. It cannot be
controlled, if that's what someone is attracted to, it cannot be changed. As I have stated before, the problem is when people act on it.

However, to brand these people as criminal, or handicapped is not right.



  Posted on November 29, 2011 10:29 PM
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TempestTheory wrote:

Let's break this down.
"Paedophilia" is simply the act of liking children, sexual attraction does not necessarily feature in it in any way.
(Interestingly, if you use "pedophile" with the american spelling, it means "liking of feet".)

Have you ever liked a child? In a non-sexual way? Then you are also a paedophile.

Being sexually attracted to children is a different matter.
While in itself, it causes no problems physically or mentally, it causes a problem when it is acted upon.

It is in itself, much like homosexuality or bisexuality. It cannot be
controlled, if that's what someone is attracted to, it cannot be changed. As I have stated before, the problem is when people act on it.

However, to brand these people as criminal, or handicapped is not right.


If it's not right to act on these impulses, and someone acts on them, what do you propose we do? Just let the go with a slap on the wrist? Because I really don't think that would make them stop. If we don't want people to do something, there has to be punishments for it, and the acts we want committed least garner the highest penalties. We definitely don't want anyone to be sexually abused, especially children. That is why Paedophiles are branded criminals.

As for your first point, sure, paedophilia literally means loving children, but homosexuality means "same sex," which wouldn't make sense in the context it is used. However, that is merely semantics. When someone says paedophile, they don't mean someone who loves kids, they mean someone that has sexual feelings for children. Besides, though the root of the word is Latin, it is no longer such; thus, there is no need to interpret it literally.
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  Posted on November 29, 2011 11:13 PM
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-Rukia wrote:

Yes they are, but as opposed to homo- and bisexuals, theay actually harm people, don't they? Once again, it's a biological issue. People treat them with anti-testosterone medicines in order to reduce their sexual desires.

I'm a pedophile, are you going to sit there and tell me I've harmed little girls before?
  Posted on November 30, 2011 10:47 AM
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-Rukia wrote:

Yes they are, but as opposed to homo- and bisexuals, theay actually harm people, don't they? Once again, it's a biological issue. People treat them with anti-testosterone medicines in order to reduce their sexual desires

Allow me to clarify a few things before I state my opinion.
1) Pedophiles are people that are attracted to children.
2) Being attracted to them doesn't mean they would harm them.
3) It's not techniqually a biological issue, it's like saying homosexual people have a biological issue, but they don't, they choose not to conform to what the majority of society believes.

They shouldn't be deemed mentally ill if they believe in things that the rest of society doesn't believe is deemed right. Like homosexuals, if they choose to not conform to society, they have the right to do it. If they choose to be attracted to children, let them have their right and don't tag them mentally ill. BUt if they do/perform acts of indecency against children, of course that would be wrong and terrible.

In conclusion, they should not be deemed mentally ill.
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  Posted on November 30, 2011 11:09 AM
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LosenFlowers wrote:

(...)
Allow me to clarify a few things before I state my opinion.
1) Pedophiles are people that are attracted to children.
2) Being attracted to them doesn't mean they would harm them.
3) It's not techniqually a biological issue, it's like saying homosexual people have a biological issue, but they don't, they choose not to conform to what the majority of society believes.

They shouldn't be deemed mentally ill if they believe in things that the rest of society doesn't believe is deemed right. Like homosexuals, if they choose to not conform to society, they have the right to do it. If they choose to be attracted to children, let them have their right and don't tag them mentally ill. BUt if they do/perform acts of indecency against children, of course that would be wrong and terrible.

In conclusion, they should not be deemed mentally ill.


Actually, all available science suggests that homosexuality is, indeed, a biological issue. It's not a matter of choosing to believe in something, especially not with paedophilia. Why would someone choose to be reviled by society? I'm not sure if paedophilia is a disorder persay, but there is definitely something different about their genes or their brain chemistry.
Epicurus wrote:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Marcus Aurelius wrote:

Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.