Topic: Sexual Deviance

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  Posted on December 2, 2011 1:31 PM
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-Rukia, The Ambitious Priestess of the Hebi

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LosenFlowers wrote:

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Allow me to clarify a few things before I state my opinion.
1) Pedophiles are people that are attracted to children.
2) Being attracted to them doesn't mean they would harm them.
3) It's not techniqually a biological issue, it's like saying homosexual people have a biological issue, but they don't, they choose not to conform to what the majority of society believes.

They shouldn't be deemed mentally ill if they believe in things that the rest of society doesn't believe is deemed right. Like homosexuals, if they choose to not conform to society, they have the right to do it. If they choose to be attracted to children, let them have their right and don't tag them mentally ill. BUt if they do/perform acts of indecency against children, of course that would be wrong and terrible.

In conclusion, they should not be deemed mentally ill.

Onto number 3: Homosexuals are homosexuals because their brains are the opposite of what they should be, vit.: gay men's brains are feminine, gay women's are masculine.
Roach wrote:

(...)I'm a pedophile, are you going to sit there and tell me I've harmed little girls before?

Pedophilia... just to define it: attracted to children, here comes what it boils down to: "children till age 18." If youi're attracted to some 19-year-olds, you're not pedophile, even though you may be 60.
TempestTheory wrote:

Let's break this down.
"Paedophilia" is simply the act of liking children, sexual attraction does not necessarily feature in it in any way.
(Interestingly, if you use "pedophile" with the american spelling, it means "liking of feet".)

Have you ever liked a child? In a non-sexual way? Then you are also a paedophile.

Being sexually attracted to children is a different matter.
While in itself, it causes no problems physically or mentally, it causes a problem when it is acted upon.

It is in itself, much like homosexuality or bisexuality. It cannot be
controlled, if that's what someone is attracted to, it cannot be changed. As I have stated before, the problem is when people act on it.

However, to brand these people as criminal, or handicapped is not right.

You should leaf through some websites that may help drive it home to you that pedophiles are sexually attracted to children. Bright-spark.

rurudo66 wrote:

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If it's not right to act on these impulses, and someone acts on them, what do you propose we do? Just let the go with a slap on the wrist? Because I really don't think that would make them stop. If we don't want people to do something, there has to be punishments for it, and the acts we want committed least garner the highest penalties. We definitely don't want anyone to be sexually abused, especially children. That is why Paedophiles are branded criminals.

As for your first point, sure, paedophilia literally means loving children, but homosexuality means "same sex," which wouldn't make sense in the context it is used. However, that is merely semantics. When someone says paedophile, they don't mean someone who loves kids, they mean someone that has sexual feelings for children. Besides, though the root of the word is Latin, it is no longer such; thus, there is no need to interpret it literally.

Genius... Do leaf through what I've said so far. I said: "We treat them with anti-testosterone medicines." You know what that means? I bet not. It means that their hormones are reduced.
LosenFlowers wrote:

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Allow me to clarify a few things before I state my opinion.
1) Pedophiles are people that are attracted to children.
2) Being attracted to them doesn't mean they would harm them.
3) It's not techniqually a biological issue, it's like saying homosexual people have a biological issue, but they don't, they choose not to conform to what the majority of society believes.

They shouldn't be deemed mentally ill if they believe in things that the rest of society doesn't believe is deemed right. Like homosexuals, if they choose to not conform to society, they have the right to do it. If they choose to be attracted to children, let them have their right and don't tag them mentally ill. BUt if they do/perform acts of indecency against children, of course that would be wrong and terrible.

In conclusion, they should not be deemed mentally ill.

Oh my God, that's so... stupid, really. Do you even know how we treat them? Hm? You're sent to jail for acting on your desires. Example: Penn State Scandal. He's gottten approx. 5 years, to my best knowledge. Wait, what? God, you really should look before you leap. No, I mean business! You're implying that if they don't adapt to society, they still have to be respected. What? Are you serious? Terrorists don't adept to society. Criminals don't. What do they get? They're sent to jail.
  Posted on December 2, 2011 8:34 PM
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rurudo66, Hunter of Hanto

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-Rukia wrote:

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Onto number 3: Homosexuals are homosexuals because their brains are the opposite of what they should be, vit.: gay men's brains are feminine, gay women's are masculine.


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Pedophilia... just to define it: attracted to children, here comes what it boils down to: "children till age 18." If youi're attracted to some 19-year-olds, you're not pedophile, even though you may be 60.


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You should leaf through some websites that may help drive it home to you that pedophiles are sexually attracted to children. Bright-spark.



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Genius... Do leaf through what I've said so far. I said: "We treat them with anti-testosterone medicines." You know what that means? I bet not. It means that their hormones are reduced.


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Oh my God, that's so... stupid, really. Do you even know how we treat them? Hm? You're sent to jail for acting on your desires. Example: Penn State Scandal. He's gottten approx. 5 years, to my best knowledge. Wait, what? God, you really should look before you leap. No, I mean business! You're implying that if they don't adapt to society, they still have to be respected. What? Are you serious? Terrorists don't adept to society. Criminals don't. What do they get? They're sent to jail.


Pedophilia actually means being attracted to prepubescent children, which typically means thirteen and younger. Hebephilia deals with having sexual feelings towards early pubescent children(around ages 11-14) and Ephebophilia is when adults have sexual feelings for people aged 15-19.

Next: Sure, there are certain treatments out there, like giving them hormones, that are aimed at reducing or preventing the sexual feelings, but none of them can be said to be a cure. The success rates of the current treatments for pedophilia are quite low. And even if the person is successfully treated, if they abused a child then they still must go to jail. There is a difference between pedophilia(having a preference for children) and the actual act of sexual abuse. Pedophilia itself is not illegal, sexual abuse is.

Now for your last paragraph. Yes, criminals and terrorists do not adapt to society, but they commit crimes and thus must be punished. Pedophiles don't have to adapt and become like the rest of us if the don't want to, but if the sexually abuse a child then they will be put in jail because that is a crime.
Epicurus wrote:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Marcus Aurelius wrote:

Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.

  Posted on December 3, 2011 1:44 PM
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-Rukia, The Ambitious Priestess of the Hebi

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rurudo66 wrote:

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Pedophilia actually means being attracted to prepubescent children, which typically means thirteen and younger. Hebephilia deals with having sexual feelings towards early pubescent children(around ages 11-14) and Ephebophilia is when adults have sexual feelings for people aged 15-19.

Next: Sure, there are certain treatments out there, like giving them hormones, that are aimed at reducing or preventing the sexual feelings, but none of them can be said to be a cure. The success rates of the current treatments for pedophilia are quite low. And even if the person is successfully treated, if they abused a child then they still must go to jail. There is a difference between pedophilia(having a preference for children) and the actual act of sexual abuse. Pedophilia itself is not illegal, sexual abuse is.

Now for your last paragraph. Yes, criminals and terrorists do not adapt to society, but they commit crimes and thus must be punished. Pedophiles don't have to adapt and become like the rest of us if the don't want to, but if the sexually abuse a child then they will be put in jail because that is a crime.

Oh, well, thank you for clearing that up. I thought there was only one thing, called Pedophilia. Did you read that in a book or on a website?

Well, rurudo, I think that you are wrong there, due to the fact that if they receive these medicines, they are not going to have any sexual desires. You know why? Simply because these medicines, just like you and I have already mentioned, contain anti-testosterone hormones or whatever, reducing their sexual desires. If I were pedophile and sought treatment for pedophilia, I would get them too. If I were to have these desires - once again, EVEN THOUGH I've already been given these hormonal injections -, I would simply tell my physician I am still suffering from these desires. And, as a matter of course, THEN would I not be suffering from the desires.
Also, Rurudo, I don't see your point in the paragraph I am making a mention of. (Paragraph number 2) If I were a pedophile and were successfully treated, then how on earth would I express a desire for doing these things to children? You don't have sex if you don't feel like it. You don't eat chocolate if you don't want to. What I would like to bring forward here is the impact that our desires have on us.
I agree with the difference.

Of course they must be punished! If they aren't punished, then they will never learn their lesson. Pedophiles.. Well, I think being a pedophile is kind of like being homosexual. According to a study made on homosexuals in 1973 (I'm dreadfully sorry I don't have the link; I read it in a book), many homosexuals (I would say, around 75% of the gay population) don't admit their sexual orientation. Just so you understand what I'm trying to say: They simply don't tell people that they are different. As a matter of fact, they are not openly gay. Again, most of them, because unfortunately, they feel they have to be ashamed to be gay.
  Posted on December 3, 2011 8:21 PM
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rurudo66, Hunter of Hanto

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-Rukia wrote:

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Oh, well, thank you for clearing that up. I thought there was only one thing, called Pedophilia. Did you read that in a book or on a website?

Well, rurudo, I think that you are wrong there, due to the fact that if they receive these medicines, they are not going to have any sexual desires. You know why? Simply because these medicines, just like you and I have already mentioned, contain anti-testosterone hormones or whatever, reducing their sexual desires. If I were pedophile and sought treatment for pedophilia, I would get them too. If I were to have these desires - once again, EVEN THOUGH I've already been given these hormonal injections -, I would simply tell my physician I am still suffering from these desires. And, as a matter of course, THEN would I not be suffering from the desires.
Also, Rurudo, I don't see your point in the paragraph I am making a mention of. (Paragraph number 2) If I were a pedophile and were successfully treated, then how on earth would I express a desire for doing these things to children? You don't have sex if you don't feel like it. You don't eat chocolate if you don't want to. What I would like to bring forward here is the impact that our desires have on us.
I agree with the difference.

Of course they must be punished! If they aren't punished, then they will never learn their lesson. Pedophiles.. Well, I think being a pedophile is kind of like being homosexual. According to a study made on homosexuals in 1973 (I'm dreadfully sorry I don't have the link; I read it in a book), many homosexuals (I would say, around 75% of the gay population) don't admit their sexual orientation. Just so you understand what I'm trying to say: They simply don't tell people that they are different. As a matter of fact, they are not openly gay. Again, most of them, because unfortunately, they feel they have to be ashamed to be gay.


What I'm saying is that these treatments have a low success rate. The people that are cured are the exception not the rule. As of yet there is no effective cure. If you have a link that says otherwise I would love to see it.

As for where I found out about the different terms, I first heard the term "ephebophilia" on the show Law and Order: Special Victims Unit and later researched it on Wikipedia.
Epicurus wrote:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Marcus Aurelius wrote:

Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.

  Posted on December 3, 2011 8:45 PM
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-Rukia, The Ambitious Priestess of the Hebi

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rurudo66 wrote:

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What I'm saying is that these treatments have a low success rate. The people that are cured are the exception not the rule. As of yet there is no effective cure. If you have a link that says otherwise I would love to see it.

As for where I found out about the different terms, I first heard the term "ephebophilia" on the show Law and Order: Special Victims Unit and later researched it on Wikipedia.

Ah, okay. No, I have no link to any websites showing any positive results (yet). Ah okay. Well, I think I'll just set about browsing for it, who knows, maybe I'll find something.
  Posted on December 14, 2011 11:51 AM
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Hellawyer wrote:

Everybody has hidden thoughts about many illegal and imoral things. The difference is that some control their impulses more than others.

Bingo!
Hellawyer sums it up well everyone has "immoral" thoughts but we all have been socially conditioned to deem these unacceptable in todays world leaving at just that...a thought
Apparently answering the question “What do you like most in a woman?” with “my d*ck” gets you kicked off eHarmony
  Posted on December 20, 2011 6:40 AM
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Osh, The Twisted Child

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Let's clear this up now.

Two men or two women eighteen or above can legally consent to be with one another.

A child cannot legally consent to be with anyone.

That's where the line comes between homosexuality and pedophilia.
  Posted on December 20, 2011 5:07 PM
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DArte, The Drunken Warrior

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-Rukia wrote:

Hidden thoughts... I don't have any.

You know, it was once said that if you don't have a temptation to violate at least one commandment, then something is wrong with you.
On topic: I'm not actually sure who is considered to be mentally ill and who is not, but what I'm sure about is that pedophiles doesn't fit into our society in any possible way and things they do is a crime against kids.
Dereshchuk Artem Romanovich
  Posted on December 21, 2011 10:30 AM
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Low, The Crystal Warbringer

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It's my own opinion but paedophiles are sick sick people. :noworry I can't think of a better place for them than a mental asylum..
  Posted on December 21, 2011 3:44 PM
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DArte, The Drunken Warrior

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Low wrote:

It's my own opinion but paedophiles are sick sick people. :noworry I can't think of a better place for them than a mental asylum..

Well, if love is considered to be illness, then paedophiles are mentally ill for sure.
Dereshchuk Artem Romanovich
  Posted on December 21, 2011 8:04 PM
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Low, The Crystal Warbringer

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DArte wrote:

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Well, if love is considered to be illness, then paedophiles are mentally ill for sure.


You do realize there's no such thing called love? It's just sexual attraction in one form or the other, and Paedophilia is the worst kind of this thing you call illness.
  Posted on December 21, 2011 8:22 PM
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DArte, The Drunken Warrior

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Low wrote:

You do realize there's no such thing called love? It's just sexual attraction in one form or the other, and Paedophilia is the worst kind of this thing you call illness.

I prefer to think there is love, even if it's just pheromones. but not love to small kids, that's pretty sick and weird.
Dereshchuk Artem Romanovich
  Posted on December 22, 2011 6:12 PM
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-Rukia, The Ambitious Priestess of the Hebi

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DArte wrote:

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You know, it was once said that if you don't have a temptation to violate at least one commandment, then something is wrong with you.
On topic: I'm not actually sure who is considered to be mentally ill and who is not, but what I'm sure about is that pedophiles doesn't fit into our society in any possible way and things they do is a crime against kids.

Exactly.
Low wrote:

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You do realize there's no such thing called love? It's just sexual attraction in one form or the other, and Paedophilia is the worst kind of this thing you call illness.

Actually, there is a word called Love. Love is when you find the person sexually attracting and are attracted to them, but not only for their body but for their personality.
DArte wrote:

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I prefer to think there is love, even if it's just pheromones. but not love to small kids, that's pretty sick and weird.

DArte wrote:

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I prefer to think there is love, even if it's just pheromones. but not love to small kids, that's pretty sick and weird.

Indeed. I'm in tune with you. Moreover, we must make a point of putting them into Jail if they have had sex with a child. They ruin children's personality and all. Just imagine yourself as a victim of pedophilia.